22 Dec
2022
22 Dec
'22
2:12 p.m.
Hi,
Continued use of Twitter has become untenable so I will move
"bitfolk" on Twitter to a Fediverse ("Mastodon") instance. The
question is which one?
The current Twitter account doesn't see much use but it's probably
of most use for posting about current incidents and maintenance
work. Therefore it needs to work even if BitFolk is not working. So
it should not run on an instance that's inside BitFolk
infrastructure.
I can run an instance outside of BitFolk infrastructure but I don't
think the cost will be worth it vs the limited use.
Perhaps it is best to just put it on an instance that is already in
mainstream use?
If you are currently active on the Fediverse, could you let me know
which instance you use? Feel free to let me know your full address if
you'd like me/others to follow you. 😀
My personal account is grifferz(a)social.bitfolk.com. ¹
Assuming I get some replies to this, I'll probably put a bitfolk one
on some instance that you already use. I'll let you know once that
happens. They have RSS feeds so even those who don't use the
Fediverse would be able to keep track of posts there.
Cheers,
Andy
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any intention of opening this to other users, as I don't think I'm
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2:39 p.m.
On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 02:12:54PM +0000, Andy Smith via BitFolk Users wrote:
Hi,
If you are currently active on the Fediverse, could you let me know
which instance you use? Feel free to let me know your full address if
you'd like me/others to follow you. 😀
I've joined mastodonapp.uk recently, but I don't use it much yet.
¹ This is a Mastodon instance running at bitfolk but I
don't have
any intention of opening this to other users, as I don't think I'm
prepared for the workload of managing such a user community.
No, it looks like it could become a daunting task.
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Subject: [bitfolk] BitFolk's Twitter account will move to Fediverse
Hi,
Continued use of Twitter has become untenable so I will move
"bitfolk" on Twitter to a Fediverse ("Mastodon") instance. The
question is which one?
The current Twitter account doesn't see much use but it's probably
of most use for posting about current incidents and maintenance
work. Therefore it needs to work even if BitFolk is not working. So
it should not run on an instance that's inside BitFolk
infrastructure.
I can run an instance outside of BitFolk infrastructure but I don't
think the cost will be worth it vs the limited use.
Perhaps it is best to just put it on an instance that is already in
mainstream use?
If you are currently active on the Fediverse, could you let me know
which instance you use? Feel free to let me know your full address if
you'd like me/others to follow you. 😀
My personal account is grifferz(a)social.bitfolk.com. ¹
Assuming I get some replies to this, I'll probably put a bitfolk one
on some instance that you already use. I'll let you know once that
happens. They have RSS feeds so even those who don't use the
Fediverse would be able to keep track of posts there.
Cheers,
Andy
¹ This is a Mastodon instance running at bitfolk but I don't have
any intention of opening this to other users, as I don't think I'm
prepared for the workload of managing such a user community.
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2:58 p.m.
I'm on historians.social (@RPBook@historians.social if anyone wants to
follow me) but that instance is very much for people working in or
interested in history, so not really suitable for Bitfolk :)
I think you're right not to open up your instance to registrations.
Historians.social have less than 1,000 active users, but they field
three or four reports a week, and suspend two or three users.
Robin
On 22/12/2022 14:12, Andy Smith via BitFolk Users wrote:
Hi,
Continued use of Twitter has become untenable so I will move
"bitfolk" on Twitter to a Fediverse ("Mastodon") instance. The
question is which one?
The current Twitter account doesn't see much use but it's probably
of most use for posting about current incidents and maintenance
work. Therefore it needs to work even if BitFolk is not working. So
it should not run on an instance that's inside BitFolk
infrastructure.
I can run an instance outside of BitFolk infrastructure but I don't
think the cost will be worth it vs the limited use.
Perhaps it is best to just put it on an instance that is already in
mainstream use?
If you are currently active on the Fediverse, could you let me know
which instance you use? Feel free to let me know your full address if
you'd like me/others to follow you. 😀
My personal account isgrifferz(a)social.bitfolk.com. ¹
Assuming I get some replies to this, I'll probably put a bitfolk one
on some instance that you already use. I'll let you know once that
happens. They have RSS feeds so even those who don't use the
Fediverse would be able to keep track of posts there.
Cheers,
Andy
¹ This is a Mastodon instance running at bitfolk but I don't have
any intention of opening this to other users, as I don't think I'm
prepared for the workload of managing such a user community.
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3:31 p.m.
My mastodon address is @rizal@universedon.com . To be honest I don't
think it matters a lot which instance you use really, does it? I chose mine
as a friend is on it. But near enough everyone I follow is on different ones
Keith
On Thu, 22 Dec 2022 at 14:58, Robin Phillips via BitFolk Users <
users(a)mailman.bitfolk.com> wrote:
I'm on historians.social
(@RPBook@historians.social if anyone wants to
follow me) but that instance is very much for people working in or
interested in history, so not really suitable for Bitfolk :)
I think you're right not to open up your instance to registrations.
Historians.social have less than 1,000 active users, but they field three
or four reports a week, and suspend two or three users.
Robin
On 22/12/2022 14:12, Andy Smith via BitFolk Users wrote:
Hi,
Continued use of Twitter has become untenable so I will move
"bitfolk" on Twitter to a Fediverse ("Mastodon") instance. The
question is which one?
The current Twitter account doesn't see much use but it's probably
of most use for posting about current incidents and maintenance
work. Therefore it needs to work even if BitFolk is not working. So
it should not run on an instance that's inside BitFolk
infrastructure.
I can run an instance outside of BitFolk infrastructure but I don't
think the cost will be worth it vs the limited use.
Perhaps it is best to just put it on an instance that is already in
mainstream use?
If you are currently active on the Fediverse, could you let me know
which instance you use? Feel free to let me know your full address if
you'd like me/others to follow you. 😀
My personal account is grifferz(a)social.bitfolk.com. ¹
Assuming I get some replies to this, I'll probably put a bitfolk one
on some instance that you already use. I'll let you know once that
happens. They have RSS feeds so even those who don't use the
Fediverse would be able to keep track of posts there.
Cheers,
Andy
¹ This is a Mastodon instance running at bitfolk but I don't have
any intention of opening this to other users, as I don't think I'm
prepared for the workload of managing such a user community.
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The only difference I can see is that being on a topic-specific server
makes the local feed more useful/interesting. That's probably not very
relevant to BitFolk, though.
Robin
On 22/12/2022 15:31, Keith Williams via BitFolk Users wrote:
My mastodon address is @rizal@universedon.com .  To
be honest I don't
think it matters a lot which instance you use really, does it? I chose
mine as a friend is on it. But near enough everyone I follow is on
different ones
Keith
On Thu, 22 Dec 2022 at 14:58, Robin Phillips via BitFolk Users
<users(a)mailman.bitfolk.com> wrote:
I'm on historians.social (@RPBook@historians.social if anyone
wants to follow me) but that instance is very much for people
working in or interested in history, so not really suitable for
Bitfolk :)
I think you're right not to open up your instance to
registrations. Historians.social have less than 1,000 active
users, but they field three or four reports a week, and suspend
two or three users.
Robin
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Hi,
Continued use of Twitter has become untenable so I will move
"bitfolk" on Twitter to a Fediverse ("Mastodon") instance. The
question is which one?
The current Twitter account doesn't see much use but it's probably
of most use for posting about current incidents and maintenance
work. Therefore it needs to work even if BitFolk is not working. So
it should not run on an instance that's inside BitFolk
infrastructure.
I can run an instance outside of BitFolk infrastructure but I don't
think the cost will be worth it vs the limited use.
Perhaps it is best to just put it on an instance that is already in
mainstream use?
If you are currently active on the Fediverse, could you let me know
which instance you use? Feel free to let me know your full address if
you'd like me/others to follow you. 😀
My personal account isgrifferz(a)social.bitfolk.com. ¹
Assuming I get some replies to this, I'll probably put a bitfolk one
on some instance that you already use. I'll let you know once that
happens. They have RSS feeds so even those who don't use the
Fediverse would be able to keep track of posts there.
Cheers,
Andy
¹ This is a Mastodon instance running at bitfolk but I don't have
any intention of opening this to other users, as I don't think I'm
prepared for the workload of managing such a user community.
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"The only difference I can see is that being on a topic-specific server
makes the local feed more useful/interesting. That's probably not very
relevant to BitFolk, though.
Robin"
Even that does not make too much difference, I search various hashtags then
follow those who seem interesting to me regardless of their instance
On Thu, 22 Dec 2022 at 15:58, Robin Phillips via BitFolk Users <
users(a)mailman.bitfolk.com> wrote:
The only difference I can see is that being on a
topic-specific server
makes the local feed more useful/interesting. That's probably not very
relevant to BitFolk, though.
Robin
On 22/12/2022 15:31, Keith Williams via BitFolk Users wrote:
My mastodon address is @rizal@universedon.com . To be honest I don't
think it matters a lot which instance you use really, does it? I chose mine
as a friend is on it. But near enough everyone I follow is on different ones
Keith
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I'm on historians.social
(@RPBook@historians.social if anyone wants to
follow me) but that instance is very much for people working in or
interested in history, so not really suitable for Bitfolk :)
I think you're right not to open up your instance to registrations.
Historians.social have less than 1,000 active users, but they field three
or four reports a week, and suspend two or three users.
Robin
On 22/12/2022 14:12, Andy Smith via BitFolk Users wrote:
Hi,
Continued use of Twitter has become untenable so I will move
"bitfolk" on Twitter to a Fediverse ("Mastodon") instance. The
question is which one?
The current Twitter account doesn't see much use but it's probably
of most use for posting about current incidents and maintenance
work. Therefore it needs to work even if BitFolk is not working. So
it should not run on an instance that's inside BitFolk
infrastructure.
I can run an instance outside of BitFolk infrastructure but I don't
think the cost will be worth it vs the limited use.
Perhaps it is best to just put it on an instance that is already in
mainstream use?
If you are currently active on the Fediverse, could you let me know
which instance you use? Feel free to let me know your full address if
you'd like me/others to follow you. 😀
My personal account is grifferz(a)social.bitfolk.com. ¹
Assuming I get some replies to this, I'll probably put a bitfolk one
on some instance that you already use. I'll let you know once that
happens. They have RSS feeds so even those who don't use the
Fediverse would be able to keep track of posts there.
Cheers,
Andy
¹ This is a Mastodon instance running at bitfolk but I don't have
any intention of opening this to other users, as I don't think I'm
prepared for the workload of managing such a user community.
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4:25 p.m.
Yes, to be honest I tend to use hashtags rather than the local feed. So
I guess the main thing is to join a server whose rules you're
comfortable with.
Robin
On 22/12/2022 16:11, Keith Williams via BitFolk Users wrote:
"The only difference I can see is that being on a
topic-specific
server makes the local feed more useful/interesting. That's probably
not very relevant to BitFolk, though.
Robin"
Even that does not make too much difference, I search various hashtags
then follow those who seem interesting to me regardless of their instance
On Thu, 22 Dec 2022 at 15:58, Robin Phillips via BitFolk Users
<users(a)mailman.bitfolk.com> wrote:
The only difference I can see is that being on a topic-specific
server makes the local feed more useful/interesting. That's
probably not very relevant to BitFolk, though.
Robin
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My mastodon address is @rizal@universedon.com
.  To be honest I
don't think it matters a lot which instance you use really, does
it? I chose mine as a friend is on it. But near enough everyone I
follow is on different ones
Keith
On Thu, 22 Dec 2022 at 14:58, Robin Phillips via BitFolk Users
<users(a)mailman.bitfolk.com> wrote:
I'm on historians.social (@RPBook@historians.social if anyone
wants to follow me) but that instance is very much for people
working in or interested in history, so not really suitable
for Bitfolk :)
I think you're right not to open up your instance to
registrations. Historians.social have less than 1,000 active
users, but they field three or four reports a week, and
suspend two or three users.
Robin
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Hi,
Continued use of Twitter has become untenable so I will move
"bitfolk" on Twitter to a Fediverse ("Mastodon") instance.
The
question is which one?
The current Twitter account doesn't see much use but it's probably
of most use for posting about current incidents and maintenance
work. Therefore it needs to work even if BitFolk is not working. So
it should not run on an instance that's inside BitFolk
infrastructure.
I can run an instance outside of BitFolk infrastructure but I don't
think the cost will be worth it vs the limited use.
Perhaps it is best to just put it on an instance that is already in
mainstream use?
If you are currently active on the Fediverse, could you let me know
which instance you use? Feel free to let me know your full address if
you'd like me/others to follow you. 😀
My personal account isgrifferz(a)social.bitfolk.com. ¹
Assuming I get some replies to this, I'll probably put a bitfolk one
on some instance that you already use. I'll let you know once that
happens. They have RSS feeds so even those who don't use the
Fediverse would be able to keep track of posts there.
Cheers,
Andy
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Personal:
https://fosstodon.org/@amunizp
@amunizp@fosstodon.org
You have prompted me to ask my communities.
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Yes, to be honest I tend to use hashtags rather than
the local feed. So I
guess the main thing is to join a server whose rules you're comfortable
with.
I feel this is key.
I feel fosstodon aligns well.
But why not have the bitfolk account as a single user account? Similar to
your personal account.
Alternatively, there is managed services which is the recommended way if
you just need to add your domain to it. I believe it costs the same or less
than the Twitter blue badge.
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Hi Andres,
On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 06:11:42PM +0000, Andres Muniz via BitFolk Users wrote:
But why not have the bitfolk account as a single user
account? Similar to
your personal account.
The social.bitfolk.com Mastodon server is at BitFolk, so it can't
be relied upon for reporting of problems at BitFolk. I could move
the server outside of BitFolk (while still calling it
social.bitfolk.com) but I did/do want to experience what it's like
running an instance myself, at BitFolk.
Alternatively, there is managed services which is the
recommended way if
you just need to add your domain to it.
Yes, an option would be to have
bitfolk(a)<something-else>.bitfolk.com and have a third party run
that.
I did not feel it is really important for it to have its own BitFolk
subdomain though. I could be persuaded either way. I can also change
it later and still automatically retain the followers.
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4:10 p.m.
Hi,
On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 03:31:36PM +0000, Keith Williams via BitFolk Users wrote:
My mastodon address is @rizal@universedon.com .
For anyone else searching this is actually @rizal@universeodon.com
😀
Mastodon at least does not usefully distinguish between "no such
domain", "this domain exists but doesn't look like a Fedi server"
and "this seems to be a Fedi server but there's no such user". It
just gives "no results".
Cheers,
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4:13 p.m.
oops sorry Andy, typo
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Hi,
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My mastodon address is @rizal@universedon.com .
For anyone else searching this is actually @rizal@universeodon.com
😀
Mastodon at least does not usefully distinguish between "no such
domain", "this domain exists but doesn't look like a Fedi server"
and "this seems to be a Fedi server but there's no such user". It
just gives "no results".
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I'm on another appropriate-for-me-but-probably-not-appropriate-for-bitfolk
server (kolektiva.social). I'd probably suggest the main mastodon.social
instance, since the idea is that it is very generic and as
independent-as-possible of bitfolk infrastructure to make it useful in case
of outage, etc. There are also tech-focused instances like fosstodon.org,
infosec.exchange (if there's a high severity CVE that might affect bitfolk,
it would probably be discussed there), etc. But they all make a more
specific statement about community.
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On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 9:13 AM Andy Smith via BitFolk Users <
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Hi,
Continued use of Twitter has become untenable so I will move
"bitfolk" on Twitter to a Fediverse ("Mastodon") instance. The
question is which one?
The current Twitter account doesn't see much use but it's probably
of most use for posting about current incidents and maintenance
work. Therefore it needs to work even if BitFolk is not working. So
it should not run on an instance that's inside BitFolk
infrastructure.
I can run an instance outside of BitFolk infrastructure but I don't
think the cost will be worth it vs the limited use.
Perhaps it is best to just put it on an instance that is already in
mainstream use?
If you are currently active on the Fediverse, could you let me know
which instance you use? Feel free to let me know your full address if
you'd like me/others to follow you. 😀
My personal account is grifferz(a)social.bitfolk.com. ¹
Assuming I get some replies to this, I'll probably put a bitfolk one
on some instance that you already use. I'll let you know once that
happens. They have RSS feeds so even those who don't use the
Fediverse would be able to keep track of posts there.
Cheers,
Andy
¹ This is a Mastodon instance running at bitfolk but I don't have
any intention of opening this to other users, as I don't think I'm
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On 22 Dec 2022, at 14:12, Andy Smith via BitFolk Users <users(a)mailman.bitfolk.com>
wrote:
If you are currently active on the Fediverse, could
you let me know
which instance you use? Feel free to let me know your full address if
you'd like me/others to follow you. 😀
Like you I run my own server, which I don’t intend opening to others. I follow folk rather
than tooting much myself but I’m @umiamz@toot.umiamz.me
<mailto:umiamz@toot.umiamz.me> if anybody is remotely interested :)
Cheers,
Mike
9:17 p.m.
Hi,
On Thu 22 Dec 2022 14:12:54 GMT, Andy Smith via BitFolk Users wrote:
If you are currently active on the Fediverse, could
you let me know
which instance you use? Feel free to let me know your full address if
you'd like me/others to follow you. 😀
My personal account is grifferz(a)social.bitfolk.com. ¹
Assuming I get some replies to this, I'll probably put a bitfolk one
on some instance that you already use. I'll let you know once that
happens. They have RSS feeds so even those who don't use the
Fediverse would be able to keep track of posts there.
My handle is @alarig@hostux.social and I’m also running my own server. I
can very happily host the BitFolk maintenances account if you are
interested.
This is not a big instance (~2k active accounts) but I’m following
stable releases and I maintain the infrastructure behind to grow as
waves go.
Fun fact, it’s also hosted on Xen VMs :) But at Bissen (Luxembourg), I
don’t know if you need the date to be in England or not.
Gandi and Jump aren’t peering together right now, but we’re both present
at LON1, so it can be the case if that matters.
Regards,
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9:29 p.m.
Hi Alarig,
On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 10:17:43PM +0100, Alarig Le Lay via BitFolk Users wrote:
My handle is @alarig@hostux.social and I’m also
running my own server. I
can very happily host the BitFolk maintenances account if you are
interested.
It's a good idea. It is compelling to use something that a customer
is involved in.
Right now, the BitFolk Twitter exists and it's the kind of thing I
feel required to keep around and doing what it does - just not on
Twitter. So I am wanting to find a new home for it.
From a wider perspective there have been multiple requests for a
status page as there are people who don't want to check Twitter nor
the Fediverse (even though Mastodon accounts do have RSS/Atom
feeds, which may help).
Once the thing is moved I'm not averse to coming up with some sort
of status page (hopefully a pre-existing app) that would be the
source of the updates, and pushing them to the Fedi account instead
of the other way around.
Cheers,
Andy
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9:47 p.m.
New subject: On the topic of social media (Was Re: Re: BitFolk's Twitter account will move to Fediverse)
On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 09:29:44PM +0000, Andy Smith via BitFolk Users wrote:
Once the thing is moved I'm not averse to coming
up with some sort
of status page (hopefully a pre-existing app) that would be the
source of the updates, and pushing them to the Fedi account instead
of the other way around.
More generally about social media:
We do have a Facebook page that I mostly don't have time to post
things to: https://www.facebook.com/bitfolk
If you are a BitFolk customer and a Facebook user and want to help
out by posting things to there, please let me know off-list. It's
not like this is a busy community so I wouldn't be expecting anyone
to come up with original content really, more cross-posting of
things that already exist.
There was also a request for a sub Reddit. Over the last 5 or so
years on a personal level I've tried to use Reddit but it's never
stuck. I just can't get along with it. Therefore I see any attempt
by me to run something there to be doomed.
However, if some Reddit-using customer wished to start a BitFolk sub
Reddit there, provided that your content policies were sensible and
I had enough access to get rid of things in an emergency, I would be
willing to give it official approval without being involved myself.
I expect that at the very least we could come up with automated
status-thingy-to-reddit posting.
But, all of this sounds to me like thankless and boring work so I am
not really expecting anyone to be interested. It is however what
would be required for there to be more posts on Facebook or for a
Reddit thing to exist.
Finally, you are probably all aware, but we do have an official IRC
channel on Libera:
irc://irc.libera.chat:6697/BitFolk
(That's for TLS connections; plain text is available on the usual
IRC port, but discouraged)
Cheers,
Andy
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23 Dec
12:55 a.m.
New subject: On the topic of social media (Was Re: Re: BitFolk's Twitter account will move to Fediverse)
On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 09:47:12PM +0000, Andy Smith via BitFolk Users wrote:
More generally about social media:
[…]
Finally, you are probably all aware, but we do have an
official IRC
channel on Libera:
irc://irc.libera.chat:6697/BitFolk
Oh, and the IRC channel is kind of dying (been in existence the
whole time BitFolk has, probably peaked around 70 users, 50 in there
now but maybe only 40 of them are human, very little actual
interaction compared to several years ago).
I don't know whether this is a general lack of interest in chat in
the bitfolk user community, or if it is a reflection of declining
popularity of IRC. If the former then there's little to be done,
but if it's the latter then I'd be open to exploring different
protocols.
I had a look at Discord but couldn't really get my head around it.
If there's some experienced Discord user who thinks a BitFolk
Discord would have a user base, I'm open to endorsing it on a
similar basis to the Reddit thing.
Is there some other protocol that people use for IRC-like things? I
would have to give a hard No to Slack, but I'm interested in hearing
about other things.
Cheers,
Andy
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9:47 a.m.
New subject: On the topic of social media (Was Re: Re: BitFolk's Twitter account will move to Fediverse)
I've been on Discord for several years and like it. It's a lot like a modern IRC —
I once saw IRC described as "Discord for old people" 🙂
I'd be happy to set up a server if there's a demand, but I've no idea if there
would be.
Robin
On 23 Dec 2022, 00:55, at 00:55, Andy Smith via BitFolk Users
<users(a)mailman.bitfolk.com> wrote:
On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 09:47:12PM +0000, Andy Smith
via BitFolk Users
wrote:
More generally about social media:
[…]
Finally, you are probably all aware, but we do
have an official IRC
channel on Libera:
irc://irc.libera.chat:6697/BitFolk
Oh, and the IRC channel is kind of dying (been in existence the
whole time BitFolk has, probably peaked around 70 users, 50 in there
now but maybe only 40 of them are human, very little actual
interaction compared to several years ago).
I don't know whether this is a general lack of interest in chat in
the bitfolk user community, or if it is a reflection of declining
popularity of IRC. If the former then there's little to be done,
but if it's the latter then I'd be open to exploring different
protocols.
I had a look at Discord but couldn't really get my head around it.
If there's some experienced Discord user who thinks a BitFolk
Discord would have a user base, I'm open to endorsing it on a
similar basis to the Reddit thing.
Is there some other protocol that people use for IRC-like things? I
would have to give a hard No to Slack, but I'm interested in hearing
about other things.
Cheers,
Andy
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New subject: On the topic of social media (Was Re: Re: BitFolk's Twitter account will move to Fediverse)
I'm a fairly heavy Discord user and if there was a Bitfolk discord server
I'd certainly join it, I'd likely also be willing to help admin it if that
was needed. Whether it would attract a critical mass of users though is
probably only something you would discover by trying it.
I used to use IRC a lot, but rarely use it these days mainly because I've
yet to find a good, user friendly and free solution for my phone.
The other place I engaged in occasional tech chat is Telegram and if there
was a Bitfolk Telegram channel I'd join that as well, but on the whole I
prefer Discord.
It is easy to setup a Telegram bot and send automated alerts to it though
(I do this with a private channel for my own monitoring) so that might be
a low cost way of setting up another channel for service alerts rather than
chat, though again how many people would use it is anybodies guess.
Personally I've experimented with Twitter and Mastodon and given up on both
of them, but each to their own.
Finally having just noticed it is now passed midnight... Merry Christmas
all!
Andy
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On Fri, 23 Dec 2022 at 09:47, Robin Phillips via BitFolk Users <
users(a)mailman.bitfolk.com> wrote:
I've been on Discord for several years and like
it. It's a lot like a
modern IRC — I once saw IRC described as "Discord for old people" 🙂
I'd be happy to set up a server if there's a demand, but I've no idea if
there would be.
Robin
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Finally, you are probably all aware, but we do have an official IRC
channel on Libera:
irc://irc.libera.chat:6697/BitFolk
Oh, and the IRC channel is kind of dying (been in existence the
whole time BitFolk has, probably peaked around 70 users, 50 in there
now but maybe only 40 of them are human, very little actual
interaction compared to several years ago).
I don't know whether this is a general lack of interest in chat in
the bitfolk user community, or if it is a reflection of declining
popularity of IRC. If the former then there's little to be done,
but if it's the latter then I'd be open to exploring different
protocols.
I had a look at Discord but couldn't really get my head around it.
If there's some experienced Discord user who thinks a BitFolk
Discord would have a user base, I'm open to endorsing it on a
similar basis to the Reddit thing.
Is there some other protocol that people use for IRC-like things? I
would have to give a hard No to Slack, but I'm interested in hearing
about other things.
Cheers,
Andy
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12:45 a.m.
New subject: On the topic of social media (Was Re: Re: BitFolk's Twitter account will move to Fediverse)
Bitfolk do have an active IRC channel, I don't think we'll get them to move
- I'm a big fan of Matrix these, but IRC will always be there :P
https://xkcd.com/1782/
Regarding Discord, please consider open alternatives rather than propriety,
closed source, walled gardens. I know you/we aren't exactly talking about
an open source project, but this blog article sums it up better than I can:
https://drewdevault.com/2021/12/28/Dont-use-Discord-for-FOSS.html
Anyway, Merry Christmas!
On Sun, 25 Dec 2022 at 00:18, Andrew Ransom via BitFolk Users <
users(a)mailman.bitfolk.com> wrote:
I'm a fairly heavy Discord user and if there was a Bitfolk discord server
I'd certainly join it, I'd likely also be willing to help admin it if that
was needed. Whether it would attract a critical mass of users though is
probably only something you would discover by trying it.
I used to use IRC a lot, but rarely use it these days mainly because I've
yet to find a good, user friendly and free solution for my phone.
The other place I engaged in occasional tech chat is Telegram and if there
was a Bitfolk Telegram channel I'd join that as well, but on the whole I
prefer Discord.
It is easy to setup a Telegram bot and send automated alerts to it though
(I do this with a private channel for my own monitoring) so that might be
a low cost way of setting up another channel for service alerts rather than
chat, though again how many people would use it is anybodies guess.
Personally I've experimented with Twitter and Mastodon and given up on
both of them, but each to their own.
Finally having just noticed it is now passed midnight... Merry Christmas
all!
Andy
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I've been on Discord for several years and
like it. It's a lot like a
modern IRC — I once saw IRC described as "Discord for old people" 🙂
I'd be happy to set up a server if there's a demand, but I've no idea if
there would be.
Robin
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irc://irc.libera.chat:6697/BitFolk
Oh, and the IRC channel is kind of dying (been in existence the
whole time BitFolk has, probably peaked around 70 users, 50 in there
now but maybe only 40 of them are human, very little actual
interaction compared to several years ago).
I don't know whether this is a general lack of interest in chat in
the bitfolk user community, or if it is a reflection of declining
popularity of IRC. If the former then there's little to be done,
but if it's the latter then I'd be open to exploring different
protocols.
I had a look at Discord but couldn't really get my head around it.
If there's some experienced Discord user who thinks a BitFolk
Discord would have a user base, I'm open to endorsing it on a
similar basis to the Reddit thing.
Is there some other protocol that people use for IRC-like things? I
would have to give a hard No to Slack, but I'm interested in hearing
about other things.
Cheers,
Andy
_______________________________________________ 
22 Dec
22 Dec
9:21 p.m.
Hi Andy,
On 22/12/2022 14:12, Andy Smith via BitFolk Users wrote:
Hi,
Continued use of Twitter has become untenable so I will move
"bitfolk" on Twitter to a Fediverse ("Mastodon") instance. The
question is which one?
It's difficult to say which instance will end up being "the one", seeing
all of them are effectively run by people like ourselves (because we
can). Some instances allows users to pitch in either technically with
admin or moderation tasks, or accept donations to help with costs. Most
don't, so I don't see how a lot of them will continue existing past the
first year or two. Thankfully Mastodon allows you to move between
instances and also take your followers with you (I might be talking
b****cks here, but I'm reasonably sure I read that somewhere) which can
help if your instance develops the wobblies. I plan to run my own
instance purely because I can (I'm a sucker for punishment), but until
such a time I am here:
@dotslash@home.social
The current Twitter account doesn't see much use
but it's probably
of most use for posting about current incidents and maintenance
work. Therefore it needs to work even if BitFolk is not working. So
it should not run on an instance that's inside BitFolk
infrastructure.
Right, understood. With this in mind I would suggest that you choose a
server that is backed by an Org rather than a private individual. The
central "index" server has filters to look up such instances here:
https://joinmastodon.org/servers
A good example of an instance that is backed by an Org (and also accepts
donations via Kofi etc) would be Mastodonapp.uk:
https://mastodonapp.uk/about
Please note that I'm not endorsing this instance, I'm just pointing it
out as an instance that seems to have good future surviveability. I wish
I used such care to select home.social as my instance, but hey - I
wanted to get rid of Twitter. :-)
Andy
¹ This is a Mastodon instance running at bitfolk but I don't have
any intention of opening this to other users, as I don't think I'm
prepared for the workload of managing such a user community.
This is fine, but as you mentioned it's probably better to run the
official Bitfolk account externally on a big(ish) instance that looks
well run and funded.
Cheers,
Jan Henkins
10:06 p.m.
New subject: Mastodon operational notes (Was Re: Re: BitFolk's Twitter account will move to Fediverse)
Hi Jan,
On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 09:21:35PM +0000, Jan Henkins via BitFolk Users wrote:
Mastodon allows you to move between instances and also
take
your followers with you
My understanding is that this requires the co-operation and ability
of the old server to host a redirect for you. i.e. as long as the
old server still exists and doesn't hate you, things will
automatically redirect, but if the old server disappears off the
Internet or its admins decide to take an extreme hatred to you,
there won't be a redirect.
Not ideal but does at least offer some options for moving around.
Clearly it's not of huge concern for a low interaction account like
bitfolk@twitter has always been.
I plan to run my own instance purely because I can
(I'm a sucker
for punishment)
As someone about one month in to running a Mastodon instance with
only me on it, the biggest resource seems to be disk space. Purging
media after one week is leaving me running at about 45GiB used for
that purpose.
If considering running this on a BitFolk VM you probably don't want
to pay for that as SSD. Archive storage should be good enough and
that is £0.40+VAT per 50GiB per month.
Various people have posted about backing the media storage on an
S3-compatible cloud store. Of course there is Amazon, but Backblaze
offer it as well. Someone was telling me their use of Backblaze B2
was coming out at about $0.53 per month for 100GiB.
You can configure Nginx to cache a smaller amount of media and get
the rest from the S3 store, so you can still make use of some faster
local storage.
When messing with cloud storage there is however the risk of some
admin task or misconfiguration causing mass metadata changes or
downloading which will cost you $$$$ in transactional fees. For
example, walking the metadata of every file in a cloud store to see
what can be purged to save space has a cost which needs to be
balanced against the cost of the space itself.
I have never used it but I understand that Minio is an open source
S3-compatible storage server, and some people recommend setting that
up right from the start. You can then easily move that to a cloud
store later, or make another tier of storage that is the cloud store.
I should think that anyone intending on running a Mastodon instance
with 100+ users on it will need to do it on dedicated servers. Some
of the admins posting about their 10,000+ user instances are talking
about multiple bits of hardware with 128GiB+ RAM each.
IMHO dwarfing all of that will be the amount of time and effort
needed to moderate user behaviour, unless you have a very close-knit
user community.
Cheers,
Andy
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23 Dec
23 Dec
1:29 p.m.
On 22/12/2022 21:21, Jan Henkins via BitFolk Users wrote:
...I don't see how a lot of them will continue
existing past the first
year or two. Thankfully Mastodon allows you to move between instances
and also take your followers with you <snip> which can help if your
instance develops the wobblies.
One of my friends had to migrate as the Mastodon server he'd joined is
shutting down. As you say, you can migrate your followers/followees
with you, however you can't migrate your posts.
Gavin
22 Dec
22 Dec
11:34 p.m.
I have been on the Fediverse for a while, I can't remember if I'd spoken in this
list so Hello.
I have also started an instance in Aberdeen with a local social centre and a local
hackerpace. It is definitely at the kolektiva region of the fediverse.
You can find me at @kevmul@abdn.social
*vim doesn't now what to do with that address!* - heh
Kev
On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 02:12:54PM +0000, Andy Smith via BitFolk Users wrote:
Hi,
Continued use of Twitter has become untenable so I will move
"bitfolk" on Twitter to a Fediverse ("Mastodon") instance. The
question is which one?
The current Twitter account doesn't see much use but it's probably
of most use for posting about current incidents and maintenance
work. Therefore it needs to work even if BitFolk is not working. So
it should not run on an instance that's inside BitFolk
infrastructure.
I can run an instance outside of BitFolk infrastructure but I don't
think the cost will be worth it vs the limited use.
Perhaps it is best to just put it on an instance that is already in
mainstream use?
If you are currently active on the Fediverse, could you let me know
which instance you use? Feel free to let me know your full address if
you'd like me/others to follow you. 😀
My personal account is grifferz(a)social.bitfolk.com. ¹
Assuming I get some replies to this, I'll probably put a bitfolk one
on some instance that you already use. I'll let you know once that
happens. They have RSS feeds so even those who don't use the
Fediverse would be able to keep track of posts there.
Cheers,
Andy
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any intention of opening this to other users, as I don't think I'm
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