On Thu 07 Sep 2023 06:23:51 GMT, Mike Zanker via BitFolk Users wrote: For hotmail, I would say that even with that it’s very erratic. My IP is sometimes blacklisted, sometime not. I don’t even understand the pattern of it. -- Alarig

Just pitching in with a slightly different perspective. I run two home servers on residential FTTP 100 Mbit connections with fixed IPs, one in the UK (TalkTalkBusiness) and one in Australia (Launtel). I find it astounding that the ability to host your own services is more of a chore today, than it was 20 years ago :/ I used to pay for web hosting, but I migrated all of my primary public facing websites to my BitFolk VPS three years ago. So far it's all gone well and I find I have the administrative bandwidth to stay on top of this - so far. As you all know, BitFolk is a class act and I would like to thank Andy for providing this service to us at the reasonable price point that he charges. For special short term projects that require unusual configurations (e.g. custom .NET code running under Wine being called from PHP to provide specific calculations to a public-facing website) I run these on my home servers. Here they do not need bleeding edge up-time, and because of the funky config I don't have the stress of a mistake or malicious actor taking down my business websites. Despite all of this, what I was not prepared to host was email. I do regret this decision from time to time, but that's mostly because of the email hosting service that I am using: www.mailcheap.co They are cheap, and they work, but, they have their anti-abuse limits dialled in that are clearly too sensitive. When running a business and "working hard" I can easily send over 50 emails an hour, and this then trips the limits and I have to wait for email to send/receive, which sucks. This also affects the calendar and vcard services as well. The reason this annoys me is that I'm a paying customer, and I've raised it with them many times, but they don't listen and the next level service that they offer is a major step (in both cost and hassle) up to a dedicated server. If I was running a lighter load then I think hover.com might be a better option. I certainly know many colleagues, friends, and family members, who in need of a vanity domain and basic email hosting, went to Hover. So far no complaints, but as I don't use them myself I can't really recommend them. In summary, I can imagine having a stab in the future at self hosting email, but not just yet. Best of luck with it, Ash On 7/9/23 23:37 [GMT+1], Hugh via BitFolk Users wrote: -- --- Ashley Norris ashley(a)norris.org.au ----------------

Hello, On Thu, Sep 07, 2023 at 01:42:31PM +0100, Robin Phillips via BitFolk Users wrote: If you have a static IP, ability to change reverse DNS, and your ISP isn't well known as a source of spam then I think you'd have no more trouble than doing it at BitFolk or most other hosting providers. But doing it at all and getting your mail reliably delivered is a lot of work these days. Cheers, Andy -- https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting

Hello, On Thu, Sep 07, 2023 at 07:29:38PM +0100, Ed Neville via BitFolk Users wrote: I feel like it's just the capricious, ever-changing chance of having your mails rejected or consistently sent to the spam folder for a while that really grinds me down. Google is worse as there's absolutely no possibility of an individual response to an issue, it'll just be down to what you can get out of any rejection message and a generic "things you might be doing wrong" page. Sometimes you are doing something wrong, sometimes you aren't. Hotmail/Outlook not quite as bad as although the exemption process will often end with a "not eligible for escalation" response, you can just keep asking and eventually they will. Cheers, Andy -- https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting